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  THE DILEMMA FACING APOSTATES

  by You Know in

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  the dilemma facing apostate jehovahs witnesses, or apostate dubs, as i have dubbed them, (no pun intended) is the very fact of their seeming success.

  one of the great ironies of the apostate movement, that presumptuously boasts of "know the truth about the truth," is that apostates themselves are bound by the watchtower's own interpretive shortcomings, and hence are massively ignorant of jehovahs judicial decisions regarding his organization.

  in that the presumption in operation is that if enough scandal and error can be brought to light regarding the governing body, the watchtower society's teachings, as well as individual jehovah's witnesses, then that somehow means that jehovah's witnesses have no connection with jehovah god.

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  As usual you make statements that you then are no willing to prove. You answered my question above with empty words.

  What do you mean "as usual"? Usually I answer in considerable detail, but, given what I put up with on this board, I think I am entitled to indulge in a bit opf sport and mockery on occasion.

  So you think silentlambs and Barbara did not confront the WT?

  I would say that they did. But, that's not really analogous to Nathan's confrontation with David. For, one thing Jehovah spoke with Nathan and told him how to handle it.

  Or will Jah use you as HIS spokman this time???

  No. The Scriptures are pretty plain that God will use Christ to judge his people.

  After the confrontation, which you think has not happened, will make then (GB) repent...they must for the parrallet to be true.

  According to Christ when the judgment occurs some of his anointed ones will be cast out as evil and sluggish slaves and the rest will be chastised and forgiven. It will come down to an individual case-by-case judgment.

  As as i mentioned to you before your post are too long. Many here dont have the time wich you seem to hava available.

  That's pretty funny. Half the time I am accused of being too long winded and the other half I am accused of not answering in enough detail. You people are a trip man, as the hippies used to say. / You Know
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  THE DILEMMA FACING APOSTATES

  by You Know in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the dilemma facing apostate jehovahs witnesses, or apostate dubs, as i have dubbed them, (no pun intended) is the very fact of their seeming success.

  one of the great ironies of the apostate movement, that presumptuously boasts of "know the truth about the truth," is that apostates themselves are bound by the watchtower's own interpretive shortcomings, and hence are massively ignorant of jehovahs judicial decisions regarding his organization.

  in that the presumption in operation is that if enough scandal and error can be brought to light regarding the governing body, the watchtower society's teachings, as well as individual jehovah's witnesses, then that somehow means that jehovah's witnesses have no connection with jehovah god.

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  Many here were not actually stupid.

  THAT MAY BE THE CASE, BUT APPARENTLY MANY ARE STUPID NOW.

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  THE DILEMMA FACING APOSTATES

  by You Know in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the dilemma facing apostate jehovahs witnesses, or apostate dubs, as i have dubbed them, (no pun intended) is the very fact of their seeming success.

  one of the great ironies of the apostate movement, that presumptuously boasts of "know the truth about the truth," is that apostates themselves are bound by the watchtower's own interpretive shortcomings, and hence are massively ignorant of jehovahs judicial decisions regarding his organization.

  in that the presumption in operation is that if enough scandal and error can be brought to light regarding the governing body, the watchtower society's teachings, as well as individual jehovah's witnesses, then that somehow means that jehovah's witnesses have no connection with jehovah god.

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  Simiwitness.

  I was wondering how long it would take for you to start the name calling and personal attacks..

  I haven't called you any names nor have I attacked you personally. I merely said that your comment was silly, which, of course, it was.

  I countered that with the simple fact that other christian organizations can (and often do) claim the same thing.

  But, their claims are a fraud. Any reasonably competent Witness can prove that Christendom's claims are fraudulent. For example, Just taking the issue of putting away the sword eliminates 99% of the claimants because they all support war when it gets down to it. None of them preach correctly concerning God's kingdom. They don't even know what it is. And on and on it goes.

  Well, Webster's definition of Faith is a little different:

  The dictionary definiton of faith is irrelevant. I cited the Bible's definition of faith. That's what we are talking about, right, using the Bible? Or are you unaware of what Hebrews 11:1 says?

  Well, apparently you don't get it. Perhaps "God's Hand" is happening right now and you are faced with a decision on what you will do next, based on the evidence you already "know" about the org. You are looking for a big "visible event", when the only one that matters is the event that happens in your heart

  I am not faced with any decision at the moment. I know who my God is. And I know who God's people are. And when the zero hour arrives when we are forced to make a decision, I can assure you that I will not be in the apostate camp, nor will you be in ours. /You Know
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  THE DILEMMA FACING APOSTATES

  by You Know in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the dilemma facing apostate jehovahs witnesses, or apostate dubs, as i have dubbed them, (no pun intended) is the very fact of their seeming success.

  one of the great ironies of the apostate movement, that presumptuously boasts of "know the truth about the truth," is that apostates themselves are bound by the watchtower's own interpretive shortcomings, and hence are massively ignorant of jehovahs judicial decisions regarding his organization.

  in that the presumption in operation is that if enough scandal and error can be brought to light regarding the governing body, the watchtower society's teachings, as well as individual jehovah's witnesses, then that somehow means that jehovah's witnesses have no connection with jehovah god.

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  There is no parallel between GB and Moses

  or GB and DAVID

  Yes there is.

  When confronted David acknowledged his eror...

  So will the GB. Jehovah simply hasn't confronted them yet. He will, soon.

  Moses "proved" he was being "directed", no mere interpretation.

  Still, the apostates and madmen of his day opposed him.

  What has the GB to show as credentials?

  LOTS.

  What has been the GB's actitude when confronted with the facts?

  You don't know the facts. Christ has not confroted them, yet. / YOU KNOW
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  GETTING INTERESTING REAL SOON NOW

  by You Know in

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  i don't have a clue how a computer works.

  i just turn it on and point and click and i am able to do what i need to do, unless of course something goes wrong, or in the worst case scenario if my little machine experiences the dreaded blue-screen crash, then i am really in a mess.

  that is the way the financial system is for most people.

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  Yeah, but when Funk and Wagnell's spokeman was further questioned regarding when exactly we could expect that they would be removing the over-used word from their lexicon, there reply was--- "Soon, very soon." / You Know
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  THE DILEMMA FACING APOSTATES

  by You Know in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the dilemma facing apostate jehovahs witnesses, or apostate dubs, as i have dubbed them, (no pun intended) is the very fact of their seeming success.

  one of the great ironies of the apostate movement, that presumptuously boasts of "know the truth about the truth," is that apostates themselves are bound by the watchtower's own interpretive shortcomings, and hence are massively ignorant of jehovahs judicial decisions regarding his organization.

  in that the presumption in operation is that if enough scandal and error can be brought to light regarding the governing body, the watchtower society's teachings, as well as individual jehovah's witnesses, then that somehow means that jehovah's witnesses have no connection with jehovah god.

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  But, you have not answered the question showing biblical SCRIPTURE as proof that the WTBS is "God's Organization" on the earth. You have only shown your "reasoning from the scriptures" that lead you to "think" that it is the "real deal".

  That's silly. I referred to Christ's command to put away the sword. Do I really have to cite chapter and verse? I referred to Christ's command to preach about him and his kingdom. Are you so illiterate that you cannot supply the verses for yourself?

  That, is still a matter of OPINION. In fact you have even stated that

  More correctly, it is a matter of faith, faith being the "demonstratble reality of things not beheld." So, from my perspective as a man of faith, Jehovah's Witnesses demonstrate convincing evidence to me that the unbeheld reality concerning them is that they are Jehovah's possession and creation.

  have to decide what you will do next. IF you stay, you are a hypocrite, and if you decouple, then you join us "apostates". For you, that must be one hell of a dilemma.

  No, you dodn't get it. The decoupling will occur at God's hand when the Watchtower goes face down in the mud. (See Isaiah 29:4) At that point the entire household of faith will be placed upon the horns of a dilemma. Those who have faith will make the right choice because Jehovah's angels will help them. Those who are faithless will be abandoned to destruction. So, largely our judgment then will be determined by our faith now. But, I do expect some serious funny business out of Bethel during that time. Remember, back during the 1916-1919 shake up apostates nearly got control of the Watchtower. And the Devil doesn't sleep, it may be that Jehovah may just let the Devil's agents within the organization really create some mischief going forward. I expect it. / You Know

  Edited by - You Know on 23 July 2002 12:15:31
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  THE DILEMMA FACING APOSTATES

  by You Know in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the dilemma facing apostate jehovahs witnesses, or apostate dubs, as i have dubbed them, (no pun intended) is the very fact of their seeming success.

  one of the great ironies of the apostate movement, that presumptuously boasts of "know the truth about the truth," is that apostates themselves are bound by the watchtower's own interpretive shortcomings, and hence are massively ignorant of jehovahs judicial decisions regarding his organization.

  in that the presumption in operation is that if enough scandal and error can be brought to light regarding the governing body, the watchtower society's teachings, as well as individual jehovah's witnesses, then that somehow means that jehovah's witnesses have no connection with jehovah god.

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  yk claims to be able to back up all of his beliefs using ONLY the bible, but when push comes to shove, it is simply not possible

  I answered the posters questions reasoning from the Scriptures. Obviously you have no response except to advance your own delusion that I somehow didn't answer the question. / You Know
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  WORLD OF LIES COMING UNRAVELED

  by You Know in

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  some historians date the beginning of the end of the soviet empire to the chernobyl disaster, for the reason that for several days after the explosion, as the radioactive cloud floated quietly over europe, the soviet government said nothing to warn people of the dangers that may have minimized some of the exposure.

  it ruined their credibility, from which they never recovered.

  presently, the whole capitalist system has an even worse credibility problem.

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  The latest scandal du jour goes right to the heart of the Anglo-American financial system. Citigroup and JP Morgan Chase, the two biggest banks in the U.S., are both accused of being at the center of various money shell-game schemes such as what Enron practiced. It appears as if these two institutions invented and marketed the fraud as part of the "economic miracle" of the last few years. Again, it verifies that a world of lies is in the process of coming unraveled. / You Know http://quote.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?ptitle=Top%20Financial%20News&s1=blk ,&s2=ad_right1_topfin&tp=ad_topright_topfin&refer=topsum&T=markets_bfgcgi_content99.ht&bt=ad_position1_topfin&middle=ad_frame2_topfin&s=APT1pehSyQ2l0aWdy

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  GETTING INTERESTING REAL SOON NOW

  by You Know in

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  i don't have a clue how a computer works.

  i just turn it on and point and click and i am able to do what i need to do, unless of course something goes wrong, or in the worst case scenario if my little machine experiences the dreaded blue-screen crash, then i am really in a mess.

  that is the way the financial system is for most people.

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  Here, these banking charts should help to bolster your confidence in the continued viability of the system. http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_02/moy072202.html

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  Question for You Know

  by larc in

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  on one of your posts you say the we operate with false assumptions.

  it seems to me that one of your assumptions is false, to wit, the wt is god's organization.

  again, somewhere you wrote that the jews were no longer god's people when jesus arrived.

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  does the Society still teach that Jehovah has always had an organization of earth?

  I don't know. / You know